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	<title>Comments on: XP Day 2008: Debugging Pair Programming</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] a workshop called &#8216;Debugging Pair Programming&#8217;. This is a spin-off from an impromptu open-space session I organised at XP Day 2008 where about 40 people helped pull apart the reasons that inhibit teams from adopting pairing as a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a workshop called &#8216;Debugging Pair Programming&#8217;. This is a spin-off from an impromptu open-space session I organised at XP Day 2008 where about 40 people helped pull apart the reasons that inhibit teams from adopting pairing as a [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Zakir</title>
		<link>http://blog.mattwynne.net/2008/12/16/debugging-pair-programming/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Zakir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i also think cultural differnces between pairs also effects the pair programming practices. if somebody comes from remote area or from a different country and joind a company where local guys are very different than him, it is very difficult for the guy who come from another country to share his thoughts. I found they are bit shy, less social skills, but they are good when both pairs from same country where they share same culture, values.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am doing a thesis on this - how cultural differences between programmers effect the pair programming practice which inevitabley effect the whole quality of the project.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also think cultural differnces between pairs also effects the pair programming practices. if somebody comes from remote area or from a different country and joind a company where local guys are very different than him, it is very difficult for the guy who come from another country to share his thoughts. I found they are bit shy, less social skills, but they are good when both pairs from same country where they share same culture, values.</p>

<p>I am doing a thesis on this &#8211; how cultural differences between programmers effect the pair programming practice which inevitabley effect the whole quality of the project.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: William Pietri</title>
		<link>http://blog.mattwynne.net/2008/12/16/debugging-pair-programming/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>William Pietri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Matt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding the &quot;afraid of looking stupid&quot; bit, I think of that as the locker room effect. The first time you enter into a place where everybody is naked, it is really scary to take your pants off. But once you get used to it, it&#039;s not a big deal, because everybody is naked. Being explicit about that seems to help some people adjust.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to the fear of looking like you&#039;re having fun in front of management, I definitely have seen that, too. There are some places that have a &quot;if you ain&#039;t sweating, you ain&#039;t working&quot; ethic, and I think there&#039;s no short-term solution for that. (I did &lt;a href=&quot;http://agilefocus.com/2008/12/measuring-developer-productivity/ &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog about a long-term approach&lt;/a&gt;, though.) But some people have that reflex even when their managers honestly don&#039;t think that way, in which case having the managers be clear that they value results more than appearances can work wonders.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Matt.</p>

<p>Regarding the &#8220;afraid of looking stupid&#8221; bit, I think of that as the locker room effect. The first time you enter into a place where everybody is naked, it is really scary to take your pants off. But once you get used to it, it&#8217;s not a big deal, because everybody is naked. Being explicit about that seems to help some people adjust.</p>

<p>As to the fear of looking like you&#8217;re having fun in front of management, I definitely have seen that, too. There are some places that have a &#8220;if you ain&#8217;t sweating, you ain&#8217;t working&#8221; ethic, and I think there&#8217;s no short-term solution for that. (I did <a href="http://agilefocus.com/2008/12/measuring-developer-productivity/ " rel="nofollow">blog about a long-term approach</a>, though.) But some people have that reflex even when their managers honestly don&#8217;t think that way, in which case having the managers be clear that they value results more than appearances can work wonders.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.mattwynne.net/2008/12/16/debugging-pair-programming/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@William, thanks for these, they look bang on. Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://xpday-london.editme.com/TeachingPairProgramming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the wiki page from XP Day&lt;/a&gt;, and also &lt;a href=&quot;http://gojko.net/2008/12/12/how-do-you-decide-when-to-pair-program/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gojko&#039;s blog post about the session&lt;/a&gt; for more info about what we learned.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I still feel like a lot of the barriers are cultural. Most people that are, seem to be inhibited from giving pairing a proper go because, for various reasons, they&#039;re afraid to look stupid in front of their peers or look like they&#039;re slacking off and enjoying themselves in front of management.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@William, thanks for these, they look bang on. Check out <a href="http://xpday-london.editme.com/TeachingPairProgramming" rel="nofollow">the wiki page from XP Day</a>, and also <a href="http://gojko.net/2008/12/12/how-do-you-decide-when-to-pair-program/" rel="nofollow">Gojko&#8217;s blog post about the session</a> for more info about what we learned.</p>

<p>I still feel like a lot of the barriers are cultural. Most people that are, seem to be inhibited from giving pairing a proper go because, for various reasons, they&#8217;re afraid to look stupid in front of their peers or look like they&#8217;re slacking off and enjoying themselves in front of management.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: William Pietri</title>
		<link>http://blog.mattwynne.net/2008/12/16/debugging-pair-programming/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>William Pietri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi, Matt. I just posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://agilefocus.com/2009/01/21-ways-to-hate-pair-programming/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;antipatterns in pair programming&lt;/a&gt; and got pointed at this. I&#039;d be very curious to see what other things you and Laura have identified as source of trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Matt. I just posted on <a href="http://agilefocus.com/2009/01/21-ways-to-hate-pair-programming/" rel="nofollow">antipatterns in pair programming</a> and got pointed at this. I&#8217;d be very curious to see what other things you and Laura have identified as source of trouble.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dan Rough</title>
		<link>http://blog.mattwynne.net/2008/12/16/debugging-pair-programming/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Rough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Matt,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With one of the teams that I&#039;ve worked with previously, when discussing whether to pair and where to start, I suggested to them that they pair on everything, all of the time. It was only when the team was starting to ask the question &quot;why do we still need to pair on this piece of work?&quot; or I was discussing in 1-2-1s their respective frustrations with having to pair on pieces of work that were perceived to be simple enough to warrant not pairing, that we then did a retrospective on pairing to define when the team would pair and what they would pair on. I&#039;ve tried to come up with a natty title for this pattern and the best I can do is &quot;The Wood For The Trees&quot;, I&#039;ve blogged myself about an agile adoption pattern called Wax On, Wax Off and I think that title could be applied here too. Perhaps somebody else reading this will be able to suggest a better title.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More recently I&#039;ve observed something similar to what you mention above, heroics being valued above craftsmanship. In my case though I think there is a subtle difference which is worthy of note. With developers that have for a long time been managing their own pipe lines and putting themselves under pressure to deliver it&#039;s difficult to make them feel as though they have the space to be doing the right thing, particularly when they perceive that to get to a point where they are doing the &quot;right thing&quot; to be such a big step in to the unknown. Ironically of course, it&#039;s at times like this that pairing can be most effective and as such, it is important to offer as much support as possible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope that helps.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt,</p>

<p>With one of the teams that I&#8217;ve worked with previously, when discussing whether to pair and where to start, I suggested to them that they pair on everything, all of the time. It was only when the team was starting to ask the question &#8220;why do we still need to pair on this piece of work?&#8221; or I was discussing in 1-2-1s their respective frustrations with having to pair on pieces of work that were perceived to be simple enough to warrant not pairing, that we then did a retrospective on pairing to define when the team would pair and what they would pair on. I&#8217;ve tried to come up with a natty title for this pattern and the best I can do is &#8220;The Wood For The Trees&#8221;, I&#8217;ve blogged myself about an agile adoption pattern called Wax On, Wax Off and I think that title could be applied here too. Perhaps somebody else reading this will be able to suggest a better title.</p>

<p>More recently I&#8217;ve observed something similar to what you mention above, heroics being valued above craftsmanship. In my case though I think there is a subtle difference which is worthy of note. With developers that have for a long time been managing their own pipe lines and putting themselves under pressure to deliver it&#8217;s difficult to make them feel as though they have the space to be doing the right thing, particularly when they perceive that to get to a point where they are doing the &#8220;right thing&#8221; to be such a big step in to the unknown. Ironically of course, it&#8217;s at times like this that pairing can be most effective and as such, it is important to offer as much support as possible.</p>

<p>Hope that helps.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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